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All right. How was listening to a mock space yesterday? And I got to thinking that’s scary. I know, but that’s what we do. Sometimes we get to thinking. So that’s where I come up with this topic here. Does bed knife, attitude affect how much sand you’re picking up after a top dressing. And I want to hear from everybody. So you want everybody’s experiences. So we’ll start with you, Jerry. What’s up. Good man. Good. Uh, in the past I have never changed the attitude, but I could see how it could affect it. Um, what I do on my end is I run aggressive. Front face and top face ankles anyway, but when we talk to us all back off the road, the bed knife, contact, and, uh, try to get it. So the protocol fan, we’ll try to go through just a little bit better because you’re going to tell them my phone anyway. Right. So when you say more aggressive angles, like what kind of angles are we talking about? Um, the, uh, top faces 10 to 12, and now I’ll go as much as 17 on the front face. Okay. Gotcha. And in your experience that seems to help. Uh, never really never really took the bat it down ours when I talk to us and goes right, right. And I, when I have to do a reground, if there’s anything that’s can be reground. I’m not taking as much off to reground. Cause that, uh, there’s such a point there that run our most aggressive angles. Yeah. And I’ve, I’ve heard both rules of thought kinda on that, about the contact. I’ve heard some people running tighter contact because it doesn’t allow the sand to get in. Or if the sands in there, it sweeps it through. And then I’ve heard other people, like you were saying that you run a looser contact. So yeah. I don’t think anybody has it figured out. And I doubt we figured out tonight, but I just thought we might get talked about it. Yeah, we can try. I mean, I know a couple of guys have taken calipers and tried to measure particle size and try to gauge off of that. I haven’t done it myself because I’ll have to get some bifocals off probably now to look at it who wants to weigh in next. Well, I was gonna talk about Seth’s story, but now that he’s in here, I’ll let him take over Seth. They’re just talking about, you know, angles and stuff and how the front face angle affects, uh, how much sand you’re picking up or not picking up and stuff. I know for a fact is actually experimented with it. Cause we were talking about it a few weeks ago and uh, so I’ll just kind of let stuff take over if he’s ready. I mean, if you’re not ready, man, I can explain the story. What happened? Sounds like your grand and again, you hear something, hear something, some kind of sound like you’re driving. Uh, it must be my, uh, I’m sitting outside my pellets. I got my pellet grill going. Ah, okay. That’s what, one of those sound like sounds like a jet turbine. Yeah, it did. That’s what I was here. So, uh, what’s sorry. What’s what’s going on? What are we talking about? Um, bed knife, attitude affect in picking up top dressing the sound, attitude. I don’t know much about attitude or the bed knife with the front face. I’ve been playing with the front face top face angles. Um, I wouldn’t say one’s better than the other just yet. Um, I was, I was running a, kind of a simplistic, um, deal with my, all my bed knives. I was grinding at the same time at the same angle, just for ease and quickness. Um, but swapped that I was grinding everything at eight top phase five front face angle had no issues with after kind of appearance or any quality of cut issues. Um, Yep. Okay. Yeah, I’ll but then talking, picking Mike’s brain and talking with him about it. And he’s, he’s talked to some guys down in Florida that, that run us a more aggressive, uh, front face angle. So instead of a more blunt five degree angle, I went to a 15 degree angle to try to reduce, um, the plowing effect on the front face of your bed knife, plowing the sand and it cascading over the front of your bed knife. Cause we, we, we don’t top dress anything lightly. Um, it’s usually pretty heavy. It’s heavy and frequent. So, um, trying to reduce that the amount of sand particles that you’re putting through that reel. Um, I’ve also, and I don’t know if anyone’s done this at all. Frequency of clip with those John Deere two twenties, you know, it’s got the dial on it that you can adjust your frequency of clip. I’ve toyed around with the idea of slowing your frequency of clip down. We’re running 14 bladed reels. Um, and the idea behind that is slow and slow and frequency of clip down. You’re not going to pick up as much sand, um, and Mike, uh, Mike can chime in on that. And, um, you know, if you slow your frequency and clip down, you might have some, some key issues, but then again, we’re picking up saying, so what’s the point of about quality, right? Yeah. And I don’t really think anybody, you know, I don’t know about the John Deere and how slow you can get it, but I doubt you’re going to see clip marks Mowen right, right. Yeah. And I remember how. Conversation. And a long time ago was helmet from Toro. And the basic rule of thumb is frequency of clip should be within what, 10% of how to cut something like that. But that kind of goes away when we get to lower Heights of cut. Um, and this is, you know, the way he explained it to me. And it, it kind of made sense. Have you ever heard anything like that? Um, I have, you know, uh, the lower your, or the faster your clip is, I, I know for a fact that it’s kind of, everybody knows this, that your reels on green should be going as fast as possible. Right? Well, I mean, I’m not arguing with that, but I remember having really good bent grass green. Milan with 11 bladed real mower and the 19 late nineties. Okay. Zo and yeah, somebody come up with this frequency of clip and it needed to be closer to the how to cut and you’re mowing at 90 or 95 or 85 or whatever it is. And they wanted to get closer to that. And then I think Jacobson was one of the big ones that said, oh, you can slow the mower down. So it goes across the green, like a turtle and turn your real speed up so fast that you can actually double cut in a single pass. You know, that was a big, that was a big salad thing, which was a bunch of BS in my opinion. Well, yeah, I mean, at that point, you’re going to slow to where your real is just beating the living shit out of your turf. Right? Exactly. And it’s not a true double. Because, you know what gauges you’re high to cut. It’s the rollers. So once you go across that green, you’re removing a certain amount of material. So if you go across to the green again, it’s going to cut that same amount of material. Again, make sense. I mean, you know, it’s not a hundred percent efficient obviously, but anyway, I’ll get off that soapbox. Well, I mean, I I’ve heard guys that they can, they’re like, yeah, we were running 11 blades on our greens and, and we switched to 14 bladed reels. And we noticed after we tapped, dressed more sand in the buckets compared to the 11 blader reels, that’s kinda my thought process behind slowing your frequency of clips. Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent. And I remember when the first 14 blade I installed, you know, it was the latest, greatest thing. And I took out on an 11 blade on a Toro old-school DPA, um, on a flex 21 and put in a 14 blade and took it out there and mowed and like, okay, that looks about like the 11 blade, but damn it sure does where this bad knife out a lot faster. Well, yeah, you got three more blades hitting it. Every revelation. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s, I mean, that, that goes, I always have a saying it’s never good enough. Right? So 11 bladed real on your greens mower. Yeah, it looks pretty good. It looks great, but it can be better using a 14 blader reel. And I think that if you mow, just mow and your green wants, you’re not going to see the effects of that 14. Um, I think it’s going to, it takes, definitely takes some time, you know, a couple of weeks to notice the difference of texture and in your, your height really. Right. True. True. True. No, I’m I’m yep. I’m with you there. Um, dear man, I asked, uh, Leslie Tyler’s next in line. Let’s hear what Tyler Bradshaw has to say. So when were you taught dress? And this is, I kind of dealt with this a little more of it, Victoria national lady too, down here in Dallas, but it seemed like, uh, their idea of a light, top dressing. Wasn’t exactly a light top dressing. So I would always back it off, but anytime we were getting into the, uh, into what I knew, we were going to be picking up top dressing and stuff like that on our Toro’s. When we had those, we had both black bed bar set up and the red bar beds. But now I’ve set up just so you know that on those flex heads, that, that black bar is a little more aggressive, but I would always switch them over to the red bed bar just to make it less. And then back it off a quick, and I seem to not pick up as much sand with that red bed bar is obviously with the, uh, the black bed bar. Um, never really messed other than just left the factory angles that they re recommend on the face and the top face, but also switched out to a extended cut bed knife to make it just a little bit less aggressive at all. And it seemed to not pick up as much sand and that just might be what I was seeing. And it might not be exactly true how it worked out or it just, it just seems better that way, being less aggressive on the bad night on the boat. And then the factory angles and then just backing it off a click as opposed to running anything else and that extended cup bed night. So when you’re saying back it off a click, is it still cutting paper back to the click? Okay. Yeah. It’s still cutting paper until, you know, it hits that very first green and then, well, you know how work in a perfect world. We could have a fresh set of reels on every single pass to keep it cut and everything, but we know that’s not gonna happen so well, if there’s any superintendents in the room, I’ve met a few that expect stuff like that. Uh, I think they all expect that and that’s just impossible. I came pretty damn close to doing that this spring. Oh, wow. I don’t know what it is to congratulate you or, uh, ask if you’re high on something trying to, trying to please somebody that you shouldn’t have been trying to please that well, uh, yeah, one, one mower would mow half a green. We send it back to the shop to get ground and yeah, I think we went through like 36 hours a day. Uh, yeah, that’s crazy. I don’t, I’m, I’m really lucky the guy worked for, he makes really a good point. So if he’s putting sand out on the green, he’s putting sand out on the grain for the sand to stay there. So why would we use a mower to pick it up? And we actually just had this happen last week. They went out heavier than normal because they hadn’t been going out heavy enough and they got too heavy and I’m on the putting green first thing in the morning. And the bucket is a quarter way full of. And I mean, I didn’t even see a speck of grass, so what are we doing? So I’m asking assistance. Oh, I don’t know. We got a Mo so I get the director involved and I said, I’ll be happy to take the steer and get a bucket of sand and dump it in the woods. Cause that’s what we’re doing here and said, we’re putting it in a top dresser. We’re spreading on the greens. We’re using the mowers, pick it up and throw it in the woods. I’ll cut out the middleman and just throw it straight in the woods. If that’s what you want to do. This is something that I’ve tried to say to a lot of people. And I’m so glad that you’re saying a tramp because I don’t know why, but in my travels, that’s something I’ve seen probably in my personal experience on the road, probably 75% of the people I meet, want to pick up the sand and I’m like, no, keep it in the green. You’re wasting your time. You’re wasting your money. You’re wasting your budget. It’s there to help you. Whether you agree with that or not, the sand is there. Uh, because it, it does so many things for that grass, for that green, for that fairway, whatever. And then you as an EDM look really good because you don’t have a terrible, I mean, I know stuff can chime in here with his agronomy background too. Um, I want to keep the sand in the grass. And so it’s so nice to hear somebody else saying it before I did, because that’s, that’s what I’m fighting a lot on the road is I want to keep it in the grass. I don’t want to be picking it up in the bucket and the analogy of, I can just go out there with a skid steer and just build a bucket and dump it in the woods. I’m stealing it broke. Cause it’s so true. Alright. I love it. Yeah. I still, I thought that was a pretty good, I felt clever and I patted myself on the back for a minute, but I mean, it is the truth and we’re trying to smooth that surface out, let the grass fill in. And if you top dress too heavy, maybe you have to wait a day without mowing or maybe two days without Mowen. That’s what we use. We did here in April with our, uh, aerification and heavy talker as it gets, I convinced our superintendent to just let it go for three days before we even put a mower on I’m sure I’ll change Heights that way or leaving the sand and very minimal is getting picked up at that point. And it worked out really well for us. And then, I mean, we’re coming into, we’ve got a U S open final qualifying tomorrow, so it’s going to play pretty good for those guys tomorrow. And, um, I’m excited for that. Awesome. We have a us open sectional qualifier on June 6th, so right around the corner. So we’re trying to get everything dialed in. Yeah. Border we’re we’re tomorrow for the final sectional. Cause I guess they’re doing it. Nine, nine, please. Okay. Yeah. Six tomorrow and three on the sixth or whatever day it is, but it’s the only, I think it’s like nine courses, so, well, who else wants to weigh in on bad knife? Attitude and top dressing seen Dearman was asked in the speak and then Jeremy. Yeah. Hey everyone. Thanks for, uh, put me on Tyler kind of touched on it. It’s not such a, so much an attitude question or comment, but I just wondered how much time people put into adjusting Heights, bed, knife, grades, and adjusting front angles during top dressing events. What do you mean by grade? Uh, like, uh, I guess the thickness of the front angle, like a tournament knife versus a fairway knife for a, like a micro knife. Okay. Well, I think mainly what we’re talking about here in this group is Mohen greens, which most of us I think are using probably micro or tournament somewhere. You know, the thing is knife. You can get. Yeah. Does anyone put on a thicker knife for top dressing just to sort of absorb any of that same? Well, I think that would be a great option if you could, but when you’re modeling at oh 85, you can’t put on a thicker knife. Yes. Really heads up. Yeah. With your, uh, turbo pellet grill. Once he cooking it. So that’s the question. He’s in a space X shuttle on his way up right now. Hey gentlemen, good evening. It’s Kyle Callahan. What’s up dude. As, as Tyler knows, I don’t like to throw sand at all. No, he doesn’t as a director. Um, you know, I think, I think for me, one of the few things that we’ve kind of changed after leaving Vic or, or Tyler and I were as is a couple of things I agree with Tyler. So typically, uh, moving forward, uh, we try to top dress. And when we do, I try to time it with a soil spray to help wash it in. But then the other thing I do is I actually have started to lower the height the day or two before I’m at a top dress. And let’s just say, I’m going to go to one 10 we’ll top dress, and then I’ll ask our equipment manager to bring it back up to 1 26. And then we’ll start working down to what that sand work itself. And the other thing that we’ve kind of played with, uh, this year that’s worked out is instead of sending out five or six walk mowers, I’ll send the TriFlex out for two days afterwards to help, uh, eliminate how many grindings and how many reels we have to go through after a mowing. So I don’t know if that helps at all, but, uh, asking him to change attitude on the bed knife or whatnot. It just I’d rather stay more consistent. And so for, for me, that’s the other thing. And then the last one I would add is, you know, we’ve decided to change our wedding agents. Well, we didn’t decide I’ve, I’ve done this for a while with, uh, Tyler, but. Adding a web page or the do’s not pulling that sand back up is also, I’ve seen, this has helped tremendously. Yeah. That’s interesting with the wet and agent, I hadn’t even ever even thought about that. I know a lot of times we’ll run sprinklers in the morning to knock the Dew off just so we’re not picking up as much cyan, but that’s interesting idea. I would, uh, I’d like to try that. Hey guys, how you doing? How are you doing Darman? What’s up, man? Uh, I am good. I am already good. I kind of just fell into this, uh, space saving a couple of years. Do you know what to us often I heard a couple of beers deep, and then there he went. I don’t know who asked the first, uh, the question about a thicker bed. Nice. I was looking for him again. Looks like he left. Maybe he didn’t long my answer. Yeah. I don’t think he was understanding that, you know, a thicker base bed knife overall, you know, based on your high to cut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would love to run a fairway knife on a green. That’d be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We could scrub some grass down maybe or something. I don’t know. I mean, we can, we can try that if we’re trying to, you know, scalp a tee down or something and replant it. Well, the other thing that, that got me thinking about the attitude stuff is just what you were saying. Tyler is I got the option of black bed bars and red bed bars and standard dives and extended knives. So you can play around with that attitude a little bit. Oh yeah. You know, I’ve found that, uh, like when we switched up their Vic to, from Toro to John Deere, the QA fives on those walking greens mowers, or so much more aggressive than the Toro. So I had to go and I had to put extended cut bed knives on everything just to get. Make it, so it wasn’t so ridiculously aggressive because as, I mean, as the summer goes on, you know, you’re going to beat, beat those things asleep. I mean, you can, you can switch your rollers and everything to a solid roller, as opposed to the, to a Wiley roller and all that to help mitigate that. But when you’re that aggressive, I mean, once you get a little bit of puffiness or some poem going on in there, I mean, it’s, you’re, you’re just beating those greens to sleep. So it was what can we do to keep the quality and the health of that turf better throughout the whole season? You know? So it’s, let’s make it less aggressive. Yeah. Mean, that definitely makes sense. I wish a Wade was in here cause he turned me on to an article and I read it, but it was, I don’t remember who did the article, if it was USDA or you and tell me y’all not know. And it was really inconclusive on bed, knife, attitude and thinking up top dressing. Right. You know, some people said there, you know, this is why was the best. And the other peoples that this way is the best. I mean, I honestly think it’s, uh, a matter of, uh, we know we’re going to be sharpening reels, so let’s just do it and get it over with and get back to normal play. Um, I just hope that more superintendents and directors in that are, you know, it’s like your comment about just loading a sand bucket of sand and dumping it in the woods. They’ll let at least grow through a little bit before they stick a mower on it. Otherwise they’re wasting money. They’re wasting the equipment manager’s time and they’re really, they’re wasting their time as well. I mean, it’s time management. You think about it? Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. How much, how many, I mean, from a mechanics. How, how much do you feel? Sometimes superintendent slash directors are adding Sam because that’s what we’ve been trained to do versus what we really need. And I know Bermuda is going to be different and whatnot. And, um, it’s just a general question, you know, because we just taught just this week, which is about two weeks away from our BMW event, but I haven’t taught dress since March because we had a good layer. I mean, looking at it, taking a profile, the as good balls, rolling whatnot. It may be, it’s just an opinion, but I’m just curious what your opinion is on that. I don’t, are you what, uh, what grass are you? Okay. Ben grass. This has been my experience over the years. And I started with bent and 95 and we had been up until 2012 and since 2012, we went with a champion Bermuda and Bermuda is a whole different deal. And I definitely think you have to, and I’m not an agronomist, but I do think the Bermuda takes more top dressing than bent grass. That’s my general opinion. We didn’t do a weekly top dressing on Ben grass and it was kind of as needed. And to try to answer your question, I think there’s probably a lot of superintendents slash directors that just kind of do what the guy down the road’s doing and not necessarily what they should be doing. I can confirm I’ve seen that a lot. Um, I’ve also. I’ve actually seen both ends of the spectrum more often than the middle. Um, they’ll either do it just to do it because the guy down the road’s doing it, um, or they don’t do it at all and they don’t Vertica. They don’t aerify, they don’t, you know, obviously I know budget, manpower, labor, things like that, having a cause and effect, but, um, people who can top dress and can, you know, uh, verdict and aerify and stuff like that, don’t do it. Um, so I’ve seen both ends of that spectrum. I have seen a lot of just throw sand to throw sand, you know, like, um, and I love Kyle’s approach where it’s no. What is your course telling you it needs, um, it, it, I don’t see that as often as I’d like I’m out there on the road, but, um, it’s definitely, I’ve seen it go the other way where it’s just, just throw saying, because the guy down the road is doing it well. Yeah. I’ve even experienced that at my own car. Where our director of agronomy is top-notch and he’s, I mean, he’s been doing this forever. He really knows his stuff and he evaluates the surface and makes a decision. But unfortunately he’s over two different clubs, I guess, unfortunately for everybody else, but he’s over two clubs and he’s not looking at greens every single day, evaluating them and seeing why they need so the superintendent or assistance, they top dress every week because we top dress every week, you know, and they’re not really evaluating it like I should. And that’s, that’s my opinion. Well not that’s why I asked, you know, is, is when you say fill in the bucket with sand, it almost makes me want to cringe because if you had that much sharing, you’re probably overtop trust. And then second. The Sam moods. And so what I’ve seen is when you overtop dress, especially on like a main grasses, you have lines of sand, you have sand around the greens, which is technically bridging and building up the sand. So that’s why I just asked. I mean, it was just trying to have the conversation. Your last part is, is, you know, I’ve, I’ve seen Mr. Nan’s a Toro or used to be with Toro many times, and it’s, it’s funny how much we change the attitude and the angles and the extended and, and whatnot on these bed knives. But what I’ve, what I’ve found is 90% of the time, well, 99% of the time where I’ve worked, you end up going right back to what the spec said in the book far as standard, or what’s back far as extended. It needs to be with this bed knife with, with this attitude. It’s funny how you end up at the end, after tinkering with bed knives and, and whatnot. He ended up going right back to the spec sheet and that’s the best quality cup that I’ve seen. True. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you’re saying and yeah, I mean, that’s why they publish all that stuff in the book, but I think a lot of us, uh, mechanics, and there’s a lot of superintendents that do the same thing and when we get complacent and think that it’s good enough, that’s when we get left behind. I think a lot of us look at it that way anyway, so we’re always trying to improve and do better. And that’s the main reason I wanted to have this talk tonight. Anybody else want to weigh in on that? And Dearman you got cut off there. So. No. What happened? Hey, you guys got me back there now we hear you. what I was trying to say, my phone’s acting up. I was kind of saying it was, um, it’s, it’s different for me here. It’s really different for me here. Cause we’re cutting like four, four and a half mill at Green’s house. Don’t asked me to come to work that, well, this is like 12 and a half total of night. Um, that’s like 200. That was my, that was my guess off the top of my head. Someone’s going to hold you to that. Um, it’s probably like three three-sixteenths. So that’s what we’re calling over. Like the ad bent, pull a fescue mix. Show it again. It says it’s a 157,000. If I do. Uh, it says 1.15, seven, she’s trying to do a whale. Um, so that, that’s what, that, that’s what we’re called, not here. Right? So I can get away with Margaret, basically with Sam, because it does sit mostly into the work also because let’s say I were to give him the super lost ship master tech, and he was young, but I kind of just, I didn’t want cotton San. So when you kind of have the habit built over time of which we are top Justin, and if it is going out maybe heavier than normal, or it is above ground, we’ve rolled for a couple of days, because like you said, there’s no point picking it back up again. You want it in the ground, you want it from up. You don’t need it in a book. It’s like, um, so w I get away with murder with that, but I can understand are you guys are using the hotter climates? I’m Laura. I don’t have that forgiveness. I do have, um, the order so that I can contribute is goes 10. Our experiment fast when you can, and 14 bed regions versus 11 brain regions. And that watching sometimes a lot of that has guys are influenced by, says men, then go on how much teens are better, where they’re actually doing their homework, um, that like selling themselves. And I don’t mean it that way, but guard guys can some times be influenced without, without actually checking it out. But if our phone like keeping your frequency core at the heart of the mill, uh, I hired a course, so let’s say four and a half for us, 10% either. So generally I try and keep it below the screens or maybe that in the book fair is like that you’re outside of washboard. So I’m keeping that as good for me. It’s kind of, it’s not hard and the result or the ask the court appearance. Um, and I found a good way of thinking of that is if you’re thinking about I would call it, let’s say, uh, for sense for, for every time a blade hits the bed. Like if you can reduce that down to the minimum amount that is not affecting after court appearance, you’re reducing Avery time to bring it to this conversation. Every time a grain of sand can go through that bed knife, um, down to every month, revolutions of Baron is Turner. They’re the lowest. You can keep that without effect and thing conditions to me has to be a on this. I don’t see how it’s a negative. So that’s the one thing all you would say is try and keep your frequency of court as low as possible. Without it, obviously all the term playing conditions and quantity. Of course. Couldn’t agree more, bro. Yeah, I agree with that too. Didn’t you even do some math on that? Oh, you did a massive amount than that with that, but I actually kind of, I was nervous enough to kind of put the map out there to guys. Cause they’re just think I was doing not in the plan with a calculator. Uh, I’d get a massive amount of math that I could break it down to the amount of times the blade would touch the bed. I per all of your tips. Oh yeah. It doesn’t make me look good. A um, a I, yeah, I was nervous of it because I think it would confuse. I don’t think the value will be in, uh, a certain amount, definitely decided upon, I don’t think guys would see the value on it. All you could see divided, like, even that, like, if you’re gonna think about read Barron’s and all of that, um, a yeah. All you could see the value in us. I just don’t think maybe that’s maybe it’s that sounds ignorant. I just don’t think a lot of people would climb in that kind of crazy much for all. You don’t have to call it two millimeters. I understand that the HUD requirements are an awful, a higher standard than mine are, because I can understand how the Lord, a height you go, your tolerances and your requirements are a lot more than mine. So I can kind of speak it from a call Hong Kong kind of privileged position of not having that requirement. Like I can do it through easy dog. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, I wouldn’t. Yeah. I wasn’t trying to ask you to, to do it again, but I thought you’d kind of run through those numbers. Definitely not on the spot 22, 1 in the morning. You’re not asking me to do it, but I can do this tomorrow. Well, when you, uh, when you roll in late at eight o’clock okay. I’m never going to be easy, easy, not going to be seven 17. I just remember. Yeah. I remember having, you know, the interview and you were feeling bad because you were getting there a lot later than even we were making me sound really bad saying, okay, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. It’s all good. Yeah, no, but yeah, no, there was a, I did break it down for maths in maths for the amount of times, your real blade touches your bed. And I say per hour. And like when you break it down that way, obviously it’s kind of amplified. Well, it does kind of bring a realization to the amount to where you can reduce by reducing your frequency cost. And I guarantee you, there’s probably 80% of the superintendents that I advise and all of us have to do this. If you were to reduce the frequency of quarter on the machine, that they would not even realize that, but you would realize that in the reducing the taper off of your quality of costs on the period of time volume, reducing that frequency, your quality of cope, was they at a higher quality for a longer period of time causing by reducing the period of time by reducing the frequency of costs? In my opinion, I do have a whole, sorry, track as a rep. I want to live in a Dharma. Uh, if you don’t have to do it right now in the Twitter space, we’ll, I’ll maybe I’ll text you outside of it too, but, um, do you know off the top of your head, um, the difference between, let’s say you’re on the lower 10% of your frequency clip and then the higher 10%, um, the, of your frequency of clip, uh, the difference in amount of contacts or blade bangs, as you said, it, um, from low end of the high end, I do it, obviously it depends on what I’ve talked to Ferris greens or whatever. And I put it’s, obviously it’s obviously prioritized towards Green’s book. I, I can do it easy, Mike, I just a scan through it and have sort of a nice oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, no worries right now, but yeah, I’d be curious because I mean, you could even, like I said, really start splitting hairs and going down the rabbit hole. And it’s really interesting to me cause you’re talking about where obviously that’s priority number one, and if you can limit the ware and extend that quality of cut for a little bit longer, it’s, uh, it’s beneficial in my personal opinion, but then on top of. Like you said your, your bearings. Um, I mean, you’ve got all kinds of other things that are in that cutting here that you can talk about. And you could even almost start to talk about heat too. Right? I mean, all kinds of stuff, um, which also contributes to darling. So, I mean, yes, we’re really splitting hairs here, but this is the rabbit hole I could really, really live in for a few days and have some fun with th this is kind of born out of a grind up hours. Again, I’m very provisional. Uh, I’m not going in per week or I’m, I’m going into Greensboro’s every hundred hours. Can you put in minimum contact? So I do that out of I, if even if the contact is good and it’s perfect, I still going to, and I try and drag it. That honed it, our Mac, if it, if it isn’t in, um, if it’s not 100% optimum, so this is where it’s important for me. This is going away from your top dressing. No Chen, sorry for hijacking to put it. This is where the frequency of clip is very important because I’m trying to grind every hundred hours example. And for any aircraft, it might be 20 hours. It might be 10 hours. It might be 50. It doesn’t matter for what I’m trying to do is reduce, reduce the fall off in quality over that hundred hours. And I found by reducing my frequency. Of course, I’m still getting the same green speed. I’m seeing getting the same quality for my fall off over doors. Working hours is possibly turned to percent. If not. 40% less than what it was. If you were to go, just go off the manufacturers off just to go off the spin as fast as you want start. That was my, that was my underlying thinking behind the day. One is, uh, wants to read, hit in the bed knife the minimum amount of times, because if he does that, all you’re going to have better quality of code over a longer period of time. And I’m going to have to take less after real and less of the bedroom. Right. Right. What you’re doing is I heard this in an audio book, as I was driving one day is basically what you’re doing is you’re finding simplicity on the other side of complexity, right? You’re taking all of this data in just like a superintendent would on a syrup and stuff like that. You’re taking all this data in which yeah, it requires some effort upfront, some investment, but then your return on investments, 10 fold because aside from a ton of. You know, around that hundred hour mark, it’s almost like that school of thought that says, uh, you know, they don’t let their fuel tank get below a quarter of a tank because they know, yeah, you have fuel filters, et cetera, et cetera. But you know, you could start digging deeper into that tank. You might start picking up particles, yada yada, yada, you know, at, or around a hundred hours, your crop is going to drop off so quickly. So you might as well just give it a little touch up instead of reviving it from the dead and the quote, Chad Braun, who says it more eloquently than I do. You’re just maintaining. You’re not reviving. Um, so I think it’s a really, really cool you’re you’re finding, listening on the other side of complexity, but I am doing that. I’m doing that. Not for the purpose. It’s a job I’m going to have to do anywhere, but I’m doing it on my terms. I’m not doing it on this, this cotton bad. No, I know I need to do it, but there’s also this other thing in the corner that needs to be done as well. I’m doing it on my timescale. No one else. Right. And on top of that, we, I mean, we could even go down the rabbit hole of your turf. Health stays way up, obviously, like you said, your quality cuts up, but, uh, I see all the time, right? I’d say in my personal experience, probably 70, maybe even 80% of the guys I’ve met, they wait until it’s, it’s not even cutting one folding one. They wait until it’s holding both sheets. Um, and then they grind it or that, you know, they lap it back in. But, um, they wait too long in my personal opinion. I think you would agree with that Dermot because it sounds like you’re trying to avoid waiting until your quality of cut is so bad. You have to grind it. You’re just like, like we said, you’re just touching it up. You’re just maintaining it and keeping it, uh, you know, cutting really, really well for a lot longer. And this really cool dude, uh, I dig it. What do you think it does for plant health that maybe some of the superintendents in the room, if the leaf blades not getting hit any more times than it has to before it gets. C R nor scientific backup to this, um, zero four. I have also known negative feedback from doing it. Um, but like that, I don’t think so. Yeah. You’re so advanced in America. We’re so far behind we’re in the mid Atlantic. We really fluent in here following me, but it, um, I have had no negative feedback to sh um, and just from checking with prism and all that zero as well. Um, it, uh, to be honest, I couldn’t say there’s been a positive change, but there definitely hasn’t been a noticeable negative change on plant health. Um, but I’m not microscopic enough to see the change either, or, but I would say. I know us better quality of course, through the way I check it with pay for on the bench for a longer period of time and you a deer, but you leave the cutting units up. Right. You never check them with the real down, right? No, I checked it. I checked their one on the bench and then ever notes to check them lift after that. Uh, no, man. I’m just messing with him. Yeah. Cause you, you were sending me to stress your standards there. If anyone heard you from my side of things. Uh, but it, um, no, I, uh, like I said, I, I have never have nothing negative to say about the way I do. Uh, only positives underway. All you can evaluate ahead would pay for on a bench if that’s something else. Oh yeah, no, I think it was very good information and I don’t know why anybody, uh, wouldn’t slow it down as much as they can get away with. Let’s hear from who does this approved Jared? Yeah, what’s up Jared? Good. How you doing? Oh, not too bad. Just sit on the back. Patio. Watches him, go golf here. Pull my phone up and saw you guys yacking. So I figured I’d check it out. It was exactly what we’re doing. Yeah. you probably already covered some of this already, but the philosophy, I guess, that we have from the bareness side of things is you need the real bed knife to work together. And Baroness guys have tried 12, 13, 14 blade reels, and they’ve found a diminished quality of cut the higher they went. So going to, um, I don’t know how to pronounce the guy’s name. I’m sorry. He was just talking, but I mean, he’s going back to lower. Let’s see a cut, which is. That was a well, um, you know, to get a better cut on things that scissors action, you need the real embedded knife working evenly instead of the real kind of overwork the bed knife. So I don’t know. I mean, what, what are, I don’t know what the frequency of cut, like, I don’t know, 14 blade Toro, Jake, John Deere, what they’re pumping out, but I mean, on the bareness side of things, I guys always kind of went, you know, tried to equalize the height and cut to the frequency of cut or get it somewhere close there. Yeah. I think that’s industry standard for all the manufacturers is try to match that. And we did say that within a 10% of your hotter cut should be a year frequency of clear. But at one point I was trying to make is when you get down really low, like below an eighth of an inch, so below 1, 25, I don’t think it matters as much if you’re matching that frequency of clip, but at some point, and I kind of went on this box, I think Jacobson thought it would be a really good idea or a good marketing tool to say that you could double cut in a single pass if you spend the real real fast, and then you slow the mower down. Yeah. So I’m kind of leaning, I’m finding myself leaning. I’m still always learning and listening to all of the equipment managers I meet, but I’m kind of catching myself lean for the school of thought that obviously yeah, like you said, try that is great marketing and great sale or things like that, but yeah. I’ve heard a lot of people say they’ve seen like, like Jared kind of touched on like the higher they go on the blade count and they might mess with their frequency equipment and try to get it as close to hit the cut as they can. But for whatever reason, if they’re double cutting, they’re seeing actual, and I think you either asked this question, pyramid started to talk about it kind of, um, but I’ve been told that double cut, uh, is kind of hurting that turf a little bit more than it’s helping. And I think you asked to write, trending for like that beneficial. If any of this sentence could answer this, like, do they see maybe benefit of just hitting that, that leaf played one time, uh, with a nice clip here as opposed to a clean shear. And then as that real end to bed knife is moving over that leaf blade, hitting it as second time. Um, and maybe just ripping it. And I mean, the other thought I had. If it’s just beyond the gathering of the next blade, the leaf blight gets hit, but it’s not close enough to the bed knife to get sheared then, uh, you know, maybe you’re saving some of that, but I’ll definitely think Darwin’s on to something and it totally makes sense to me. I love it. You know, it’s just like your car might go a hundred miles an hour, but you don’t really need to go a hundred miles an hour all the time. You really just need to go fast enough to get the job done. Good analogy. I’ll I’ll be here all week. Go ahead. Whoever was talking, uh, Jared it’s Kyle real quick. I think the double-time. You know, it really depends on what your goal is. I mean, I, I don’t just wake up and say, Hey, let’s double cut. The double cut. It’s usually to pick up speed or, or whatnot. Right. So, you know, I understand where, where you gents are coming from. But I think from me, if I’m double cutting and choosing to backtrack now, and I’m just trying to, to work on the texture and also ball speed, if that makes sense. And that’s the best way to kind of get it. There is like a bad chart now, but I mean, other than that, is there a point of no return? Yes. And you know, I think Chris should have all wrote an article quite a few years ago, talking about grow and turf is like a racetrack. You have a straightaway and you can push it and then you gotta be ready to take the, the two turns, which would be spring and fall, or, you know, for Rumi to gas people. Going into the winter, you got to learn how to back off and so good. The, the chicane of spring in summer or spring and fall when assess. So good dude. So that was, that was a Christian of all. He had an article out there that talked about, you know, he talked about formula one and how he loved racing and how we hit the gas pedal and you go 200 and something miles an hour. And then you have to let off the gas to take the turn. If, if you think of a race car, what happens if you hold the gas pedal and take turns three, going into the turn four, you’re going to crash. Right. So I think from the director slash golf course, superintendent side, when we double cut and whatnot, it’s usually in preparation for an event like you’re about to host with the, with the open qualifier or a BMW or a number desks or whatnot, but we’re just double cutting the double cut. I think there is going to be a point of no return, but for one week to prep for. You know, and then to give it three, three weeks off. I mean, we just helped Denver guests. For example, we pushed them, we double cut, we double our old and then a lot next two weeks, we’re backing off. And then as we prepare for BMW on June nights, uh, June festival start double cut and then get our speeds back and, uh, start plan what’s frequency and cut and whatnot. So tra I mean, I think what Trent and I are talking about, like, I understand the benefits of, you know, like the backtrack double cut, the double Mo double cut, where they bought Trenton on Trent, the agree or disagree, let me know what you’re talking about, but I think he was saying the same thing I was, which is when we were saying double cut. We were meaning in that one single pass where that reel is hitting that same blade of grass twice in the one pass. Right. Is that what you were saying too? Yeah, that was, uh, Jacobson’s, you know, marketing thing on how you could double cut and a single pass because we can, we’ve got a 15 bladed reel and we can spend it so fast that it burns all the leaf blades. When you go across. Yeah. You got a laser on here and yeah. That’s yeah. That’s where, like you said, you don’t, if you can go a hundred doesn’t mean you should go a hundred and, you know, filling that FSOC to sky high and, and try to hit her twice. Uh, cause then you, you’re trying to rely on your operator and he’s going the perfect speed, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but, uh, that’s kind of the feedback I’ve been getting as far as, you know, that double cut on a single path with the FLC wide open I’ve been told and I’ve seen it myself can be and is detrimental to, to. Yeah, and I mean, we done it side by side. You know, we did the test with, uh, with our regular Toro greens mower. And one of those side-by-side stamp the green, no difference in ball speed. You know, it’s just this brilliant marketing, but anyway, that’s not necessarily the topic of this discussion and I don’t care what we talk about. We’re welcome to talk about double cutting, but, uh, it was mainly, you know, the top dress and bad knife attitude. I really appreciate what Derman had to say about frequency of clip, because I think that is really important, not just when you’re top dressing, but anytime. So I got a question here. Have you guys already talked about bed knife thickness versus high to cut like per, like how thick the bed knife is? Yeah, I’m a little bit, so most of us, what we were talking about originally is mowing greens as low as you can mow a green. So it don’t give us a whole lot of options on what thickness of bed knife we could do. And I think me and Tyler was talking about running a fairway knife on a green and seeing what that done. So yeah, I’ll say just apps. I, you kind of cut out there, so I didn’t catch, sorry. No, but like, um, we were always like, if you have a 60 mil bed knife, you can go down to like 120 or 60,000 bed and I can get on that one 20, but if only then you should look at going even thinner than that. You know what I mean? I didn’t know if there were places where you were usually like half your. Double the bed knife. This is your minimum height to cut kind of what you guys see or what are you guys kind of going off of there on how low you can go with certain knives? Uh, I mean, for me, it’s just whatever the manufacturer says and like I’m running Toro and they’re telling me I can get to a 16th or something like that, and I’m not going to 16th, so I’m good. So this is one of my favorite stories and I agree with Trenton and to take it a little bit farther into the rabbit hole, as I learned from, uh, cue the music trip from my mentor, John Patterson. Oh yeah, this is awesome. There it is. We’re expecting. All right. I didn’t want to do the whole song, but I did. I did pull that out, man, just for you, but I couldn’t remember what button I put it under the real bit right there, man. Uh, but yeah. So my favorite story with that, Jared, to answer your question is, I don’t know when anybody in here who does know or who can look it up really quickly because I don’t have access to it. I don’t know what a John Deere’s spec is for, you know, bed, knife, thickness or front face thickness. Uh, it was a JRM knife anyways, that John was running, but it was for the women’s PGA championship and his, he likes to run his front face thickness he’ll measure with a micrometer. I like to use calipers to each his own. Obviously it just comes down to touch as well, but at least it tells you you’re you’re in a certain ballpark. He likes his front face or bed knife thickness, uh, on the cutting edge to be at no more than half his effective pipe of cut. His effective height is a hundred during this tournament. Um, so his front face thickness, no matter what it is, he will grind it on the first grind, right. To 50,000 deck on the front face. Um, and that’s where we were for the women’s PGA on advanced week, um, on Friday. And then it rained on Friday, uh, sorry, Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It rains for days straight. Uh, before greens mowers even went out on Mondays, like we’re going to scalp. I said, well, you’re at that top of that threshold, you have 50,000. He’s like, exactly, that’s the problem. Uh, turf nice and puffy now it’s, it’s gonna, it’s gonna scalp and sure enough, the radio comes on. Um, and they’re like, Hey, we got a little Nick on too. We got a little Nick on four, yada yada, yada. Uh, he didn’t even go look. Uh, everything kept mowing came back. And we pulled all the knives and he said, just take them all down to 30, which keep in mind, this is tournament, um, AAC. So obviously budget is, they still have a budget, but it’s not small. Um, so we took all the night. I took all the knives down to 30, um, on the front face thickness of that knife on the cutting edge and went the rest of the week. Uh, without another grind, didn’t have to touch anything, no scalping, no nothing. Um, and so that’s just how much that, that front Faisal all mess with stuff too. Pretty damn fine, man. Oh yeah. But he had his angles dialed in and like I said, it went from Monday night. We did all of that. It went all the way. All of them, uh, 12 of them went through, uh, what was that? Six or seven days. That’s impressive. Was there any, uh, bad knife left at that point? Yeah, actually I have photos somewhere. I, now I want to go dig them up, but yeah, there was a, cause it was technically only his second grind on those. Um, and I don’t remember he’s on. I think he’s Tiffy. No, he’s not. If he go, I don’t remember what he is on greens, which I should, but, um, uh, he is, I think like 10 top 14 or something like that at the time. I don’t know what he is right now, but, um, so 10 is a little aggressive, but not stupid aggressive. And, uh, he had everything nice and straight and parallel and he had his angles set. So, uh, I remember like using my fingernail and there was still meat on the backside. I could feel the top face on from the valley. So, I mean, I’m sure I could ask him. He’ll probably remember. He probably got another grind out of it even after tournament. Oh, wow. Wow. That’s craziness. I would’ve thought you would have run out a top face before you got that thickness. Same here, especially at 10 degrees. So was keeping tabs. I think we got down to like 39, but, um, there east lake is still, they buried them in sand, which I know that’s still, at least what’s bringing it back to the topic is they’ll they’ll pop dress all the way up until I think banks through sand on Friday of advanced week. And we were picking up sand until Tuesday of tournament week. And then, uh, they probably, they went out probably with rotary spreaders, right. Until, yeah. But post to be a light one. And I took photos. I was like banks that doesn’t look very light to me, bro. Yeah. A lot is relative. I was actually listening to the U S green section podcast and hopefully y’all can enlighten me. They were talking about some product that you can measure the amount of sand that you’re putting out. I wasn’t going to check into it. Anybody know anything about that? Anybody. Never never even heard of anything. You could measure it with you. Haven’t seen that either. Yeah. Neither. That’s something I’ll have to check into. I thought that’d be kind of cool. At least that way we kind of get a standard, you know, because everybody says, oh, well I’m going out lot today. Well, you went out lot 26 weeks in a row. And it was different every time it would be afraid of that because it will be a competition to how heavy you could go. We kept a week. You might be right about that. Hey, Hey Trent. All right. All is right with the world, bro. I just put my, uh, my, uh, UGA national champion flag out. They got blown off the house the other day. Let’s roll tide over here, man. Yeah. I don’t know what you’re talking about. The row won one national championship in the last 30 years. Yay. Oh, it’s a dynasty trend. They’ve been winning national titles for 40 years now. Jimbo’s got your number, bro. Okay. Okay. Um, did you ever find my email about being on the podcast? What are you waiting on here? You’re going to call me animal, call you back. I got, I got that email. You want to know where it was and I’m not, I’m not trying to do a be mean or anything, but it was in my junk box. Uh, well, no, I know, I know that. I don’t know if they think the real turf text podcast is a porn. But or what it is, but it all goes to spam for whatever reason. I got it. I just, I got to find the time to do that. Maybe it’s maybe it will be here in the next few weeks when I have some time off. Uh, well, I mean, it’s all good. I just want to make sure that I’m locking you in, right, man. Okay. Kyle, did you have something you wanted to talk about there? You asked to speak and then now you’re not a speaker. I don’t know what’s going on here. I can talk from it if nobody else wants to. Yeah. Go for it, man. Um, to go down the rabbit hole a little bit, um, you can, uh, With an SAP grinder. You’re already doing this, like with, I think we touched on it on the podcast a little bit, Trent. Uh, we can’t talk about grinders in here and this Madam kid, it does involve, uh, uh, top dressing. And I think, um, grinding to your bed bar bowl, like I’ve started doing on all our green floors, but the dial indicator. Um, I think that’s important with, especially with sand, because if you just slap a bed knife on, let’s say a GRM or whatever, or your onto your bed Knight from the factory and you just grind it, you know, vegetables, sides and grind it. Um, one side of your bed and I have, could be 15,000 sticker and you don’t know it. Yep. And so basically what happens is that side of the bed knife is sitting lower and you end up eating more sand and you end up having problems with scalping and things like that. That’s something to look at too. I know not everybody has that option, but, or time. Well, I’ll know you using a dial indicator. So tell me this. How much difference have you seen when you’re doing the top face angle from the bed and I pivot belts. Right. So since a fully pivots on the left side, um, most of mine I’ve seen them within the seven thousands. Like I’m taking 7,000 soft to match the right side. So that’s pretty close. I’ve seen one as far out as like 20 though from the factory. Uh, and that’s the actual thickness of the bed not correct, right? Yeah. To the bed. Yes. Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah. And I think it is important. I mean, I know when you’re chewing sand, obviously you’re, you’re leading edge on the reel is going to do more sand. That’s just how it works. But I have noticed, um, I’ve gotten a little more life out of it since I’ve started doing that on green. So it is helpful if somebody doesn’t does or doesn’t know how to do that, um, you can DM me and I can help you out with setting that up for the dial indicator or Mike or anybody else. Yeah, the Dearman he built his own little gauge too. Yeah. That’s her hot and he’s a Microsoft one. Well, Jr. He went a stepfather and got the, um, so the digital readout and made one for his fully grinder. Totally fair. Totally fair. No, mine is digital readout as well. And the is adjustable. I just didn’t Mack it at, but by the end of the week, Trent, I ain’t going to come back to you and numbers on that. Okay. Okay. And I think on the, I measure to front face and, and tougher, I think the furthest, if use anyone familiar with I’m going to up. Um, and I think the bed bar balls were at the most, I think it was like 0.017 were mailed out to the difference. Now that means absolutely nothing to me in the sense of Colton Nash, minimum of four and a half mil. So it might make a difference difficult in that two, two and a half or whatever, but I’ll be back to you on, on, I love four sets of new Knights grown by the end of the week. And I come back to you with numbers and I live with this metric is like you to figure out if it’s worth it or not. Well, yeah, I mean, not, I’m not smarter than you by any means. Make me feel silly. Sometimes I’m doing all this math. The number is, and I’ll let you try and I’ll let you figure it out to see like the there’s obviously an accurate for me. I didn’t think it’s a massive advantage going into the bed knife boards, but I did like. The numeric three back of where I am in relation to the bed and I’ve bought that might not make sense to people, but it does make sense to me. Um, yeah, no, yeah. I follow what you’re saying. It just, it’s a kind of backup a double-check and exactly. Yeah. It’s it’s I know her, I stand, even if, I don’t think where I’m standing is in a more accurate position though, or I was at the start. Yeah, exactly. And that’s one reason I’ve been a in all my cutting units before and after the grind is, especially before the grind. I think it’s really important because when I throw them in the grinder, I do my setup. I know which side’s gonna be grinding heavier than the other. And that makes me feel more comfortable about, yeah, I got to set in there correctly. Exactly, exactly. From the exact same point of view, exact sample. And then go into your bedtime. Dearman it is my bedtime at about two hours. Thank God. I had a good time. Thanks for joining us. Good talking to you later. What’d you get Kyle. Hi. Can you hear me now? I can hear you. All right. So you’re correct. USTA did come out with something and I want to say it was a golf course that came up with it and they just re posted it. But I was just texting Tyler. He take a cookie sheet pan or whatnot. That’s an 18 by 12 that’s technically 1.5 square feet. If you put it out, you talk just over it. If you way down or way what sands in it, that’ll help you figure out pounds per pound. Thousand or pounds per acre, based on the simple math of knowing that inside diameter of that cookie pan. Oh, that’s awesome. Hey Trent, I just a direct message, dear. That formula Kyle sent me. Thank you. Thank you. So, so you got that so you can look at it and understand it. Yeah, no, I mean, that’s awesome. I don’t I’m I love that idea. Maybe it’s too much work for somebody, but you calibrate your sprayer before you go out. Right? Why wouldn’t you calibrate top dressing sand. Yeah, I want to say it was, I’ll see if I can find that article and send it to you as well, but you’re absolutely right. They, they sent and said that they basically took the cookie pan of some sort. They can collect it. And then we measured the inner diameter, just did their normal top dressing. And then based on that calculation and they figured out what their square foot. And then neither times that weight by a thousand, or if you want pounds per acre or tons per acre, it’s just simple maths from that point on. No, that’s awesome. Very cool. The guys are girl it’s like, what are you doing? I’m about to come in with a dab cookie sheet Tuesday morning and say, here we go. Yeah, Ron, Ronald run over this with your, uh, you know, spread this from your, uh, rotary spread. Are there your, I get it. It’s kind of comical, but on the same game. And you’re absolutely right though. I mean, if, if I’m, you know, we just did a top dressing, like I told you jokes about. And I went with a finer sand that was killing on dry versus a wet sand per se. And so we were kind of winging it based on the throw patterns. So you hit it on the head. Go out and calibrate our, our sprayers. Why not calibrate on a nursery green or whatnot before we’re going to go out to new sand to see if we can get the same effect. So I don’t think it’s that far fetched. I mean, it makes total sense to me. I mean, if you look at, uh, like take the, uh, Anderson spreader, how they’ve got that attachment, that you can, uh, just run it and weigh your, uh, your fertilizer to figure out what you’re, you’re putting out, you know, on setting app or whatever, essentially, you could probably use that same thing if you’re using one of those walk-behind rotaries with that and figure out how much sand you’re putting out that way too. I mean, I mean, yeah, I have to make sure you get your, your wit time’s your plane, you know, which can be tough. That was saying per se. I mean, I don’t know how you do that with like a turf go or a pro pass or something like that, or even a Dakota if you’re doing fairways. But I mean, they have their formulas that say, Hey, if you’re at this opening on the gate and your spinner speeds of this and the angles on your spinners or this, you should be putting out, you know, one and a half tons per acre or whatever it is, you know, but how accurate is their actual formula as well? Yeah, I would be kind of leery of what the machine said, just because of, you know, they don’t know even know what you’re spreading, you know, fill that thankful lady pig and it’s not gonna throw the same or out of the same rights. Yeah. And if one operator is running a a hundred RPM is less on my PTO as the other operator, they tested it with, I mean, you’re going to be completely off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I like the cookie sheet. That’s that’s easy. Anybody else to speak up and talk about top dressing or anything else on your mind? I’m planning on going for about 15 more minutes. I guess I have a quick question. Since, since it was brought up with cut, at what point from a equipment standpoint or a manager’s standpoint is the quality of cut diminished in your eyes after a top dress. So, you know, are you folding the paper twice? And if you can’t get a good cut, is that it? Is it a single, I like to hear what different people’s opinion is on at what point is like, okay. Yeah, we really need to grind, my honest opinion, the first time it goes out. Uh, heavy top dressing. I mean, you’re, you’re done. I mean, you’re going to be grinding, but if you have backup mowers, like we’ve always had, I mean, you’re good to go so you can, you know, send them other mowers out that same day or even the next day and sharpen the next set on a light, top dressing. Um, just like what we did last week. I mean, we, I raised just, you know, change the, uh, clearance there between the bed knife and the real, like one click. And we barely pulled any sand. Granted we watered before we went out. And then, I mean, we were back to putting groomers on two days later and not pulling any sand at work. It was a light, top dressing, but it also got worked down because we also, uh, rolled it right after we top dressed and brushed it in. But, on one of those, I mean, it’s even after running the rumors for two days, I was still. One piece of paper at, you know, zero contact. So it depends on the amount of the amount of top dressing that’s going through there. I would also say the, the, the material type, like how fine is the sand versus if it’s got any course things in it. And then if you were sharp and how long you’re going to maintain that sharpness, depending on just how much you actually pull up and send through that real, I, I w I don’t even check if we top dress, whether it’s heavy or light, super light, really light. I, uh, we don’t eat, I don’t even check mowers. I just send them straight to the grinder. Cause it will Rob, you don’t have relief. Yeah, that’s true. Oh God, here we go. That was something that has not been brought into this country. Well, and that’s another reason I said it. Not just to pick on Seth, but I do want to talk about relief. That’s a reason I don’t have relief because we probably throw more sand than anybody does in this room. So, uh, what’s the point of spending all that time, making my, my real blades as thin as possible. So they were out way faster with all the sand that we’re going through. Uh, I’ll look at it a different way. The thinner that land width is that’s the list amount of sand that they get can pull through there and roll over your bed knife. I was going to say the same thing. So anyway, um, I was waiting for Seth to reply to that and no, Seth, this is all just good, fun, cutting up dinner. Okay. Yeah. Keep eating, then keep eating and, um, talk about, uh, so, you know, I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and I went through and I did it this winter. I hadn’t been really grinding and rails. So an all my greens reels, a 14 blade, uh, Toro units. And I hadn’t been really grounded them just because I kind of had the same thing. It was like, well, it’s got some meal relief there, the blade thickness, isn’t that thick, you know, what’s the point of relief grounded. And I’ve heard Chad, Ron say a few times that it’s definitely worth it. It’s definitely worth it. And I value his opinion. So I said, I’m going to try it this year. And I hadn’t, you know, laid out a test parameters or anything like that, but my gut feeling says it’s worth it. And I’ve been relieved, grinding the blade down to one millimeter land width, and usually I can get one grind and that’ll take it, you know, to one and a half to two millimeter land width. And then the next time I grind I’ll do the relief again. Yeah. And I’ve been really happy with that and know no longer than it takes to, to do it. I’m going to keep doing it. Yeah. Well my, sorry, go ahead, Tyler. Yeah. My biggest argument with the relief versus flat grind is if flat grind was, you know, beneficial and whatever, why wouldn’t they put it from the factory? They’ve done all that science and research on that. Minimize the amount of anything passing through there, you know, reduces the friction, reduces, um, it helps with your horsepower, fuel consumption and everything like that. So why would we be not really grinding if they’re putting it there from the factory for a reason? Oh, I agree. A hundred percent. And I’ve always said it just like you’re saying it, you got three manufacturers. Well, is Jared still in here? Maybe we got four if we can’t bear Nass, but sorry about that, Jared. But, uh, I mean, forever, you know, the big three and little number four probably does it too. Uh, they put a relief on from the factory and why would they invest and doing that? That’s extra labor, extra cost to them. The other, passing that on to us and raising the price at 20%. But there’s gotta be a reason that. And I, while I’m on that or thinking on the same line of thought, there’s three golf course, golf cart manufacturers, and they all use Trojan batteries. And every once in a while, one of them was easy to go. I’ll go to USA battery and have a contract with them for one year, and then they go back to Trojan. So I’m a big, uh, big Trojan battery fan, but I can’t wait to get into some of this, uh, lithium stuff. Right. Uh, it’s coming available. Like our, our approach shop just got all their new club cars with a lithium. So we’ll see how those go, but, you know, tried and true, uh, with the Trojan versus anything else. They seem to last better and they have a better warranty than anything else I’ve seen as well. What’s a golf cart. Yeah. How about a utility vehicle? Yeah, I don’t touch him. I don’t touch nothing of that. Uh, every now and again, I have to, when, to when their range cards down, I got to go fix the carry all or anything, or for some reason I get called and told I’ve got to fix all these flat tires when they should have all these spares up there. It’s like, come on guys. Yeah, I don’t. We have electric utility vehicles, Cushman collar pros. I got 23 of them. So I’ve had my fair share of lead acid battery issues. The back to relief, um, on really want to talk about batteries here. well, I mean, really you got a lot less material coming in contact with each other, so theoretical your stuff should last a lot longer, right? When you are released grinding. Well, unless you’re at the Oakland Hills with Seth and you need that, those two blades to be as fast as they can. You’re killing me, bro. Killing me, bro. Sorry. Sorry. So I’m not even, I’m going to step way, way, way, way, way ahead of that. Um, Trent, back to the 14 blades with relief on greens. Uh, cause I loved that podcast with Chad obviously, and I’ve spoken to him on the phone, a bunch about it and stuff, but um, just for context, right? What turf do you have again? Trent it’s. Is it bent champion? That’s right. You said that. Sorry. All right. So it is okay, cool. So, and I’m not being a smart ass, I’m genuinely learning or asking or furious, but, uh, so you’ve got champion muda and then in between that first grind where you established the relief, um, and then that second grind aside from top dressing, right? Let’s say you’re just mowing grass. I know you just started doing it. So you’d probably still picking up saying, but just for context, how many bows was that? Or how many weeks, et cetera, et cetera, whatever, what’s that timeline look like from the first grind with the new release, to the second grind. And then let’s say to that third grind where you re-establish, that I’ll send you, my spreadsheet would be the easiest way to do that. And I hadn’t, you know, evaluated the spreadsheet close enough, but I can tell you how many hours in between grinds. The only thing that I’m not tracking is. The top dressing. But now that I know this pan trick, I’m going to be out there every Tuesday. We’re closed on Tuesday, which is kind of unusual. So it’s, most of y’all are closed on Monday, but I’m going to be out there with my cookie sheet and figuring out how much sand they’re slinging. And I’m going to add that into my spreadsheet equation. Can you please send me that stuff that you got from Tyler? If you guys don’t mind? Cause I would love to see that as well to wrap my brain around. No, I’ll definitely, uh, I’ll send that to you. And did the cow say they’d done an article on it? Yeah, he said he was going to look for, uh, somebody had published an article about it sometime back and he was going to pry and bind that and he said, he’d send that to you when he found it. Awesome. Yeah, I’d love, I’d love to read that too. And I’m going to reach out to wait and see what he. Well, the article that was, he sent me a while back. And just so y’all know, y’all are the first ones to hear this, but real turf techs is launching a website and on this website you’ll be able to get to the podcast. And I got a resource page, so I’m trying to get as many resources in there as I can. So like articles like this, I think is great. So I’ll have a link, you know, to those articles. Hey Trey, I got, I got an article. I’m going to send you about why a relief is not needed. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I’d be happy to read that. The next time I go to the office. Hey, who was asking the question on the, uh, time between grinds like hours or how many months? That was me for context of why I asked that too, before you go into the reason I have. Uh, B from where I’m at, down in the south, the south of the transition zone, the feedback I get from equipment managers, obviously that would include Trent, especially that he’s on Bermuda. Um, the majority of them, uh, are no longer putting relief on greens rails, um, because there’s been grinding so often because of the frequent top light, top dressing, um, that it’s not worth in their opinion. This is not mine in their opinion. It’s not worth their time and labor upfront to establish that relief because they’re just going to spin it right out of it kind of entrenched zone of like maybe by that second grind, um, after that. But then once I get north of the transition zone, especially in Chad bronze territory on that, that, you know, the bank grass, the bent, POA, mixtures, whatever, um, it is warranted, uh, in that feedback that I’ve gotten, because they can go a lot longer with that relief than they can in the south is, uh, is, does JP relieved his greens rails? He does not he’s in that school where he’s grinding so often on greens because of all of those other variables he used to, um, and for him at his terror, in his territory and with his application, his mowers, his agronomy practices that he’s living with, it doesn’t warrant it upfront. I’m doing something right. So good. Some, uh, some things I’ve noticed. So throughout my career, I’ve been on bank greens everywhere I’ve been, and always, uh, either bent fairways and tees or, uh, like bluegrass and right. Uh, until I came here to Dallas. So my club here where common Bermuda and our fairways and our callers are, uh, uh, like the four 19. And our teasers Alaysia before I got here, they, the mechanics that worked in my shop for me, they didn’t even know how to relieve drag. So when I first got here in Dallas, in August, as first thing we did is took everything and just sharpened it and put a relief grind on it. And then mulling through that, like with our fairway mowers, 77 hundreds, big old seven inch rails, you know, put a relief on them. They went from grinding, those mowers every two and a half to three weeks with no relief grind to work cutting paper, like with zero contact two months later as the sweet spot, man. Yeah, yeah. Yep. I mean, I’ve heard, you know, story after story after story like that. So I’m definitely a firm believer and all serious. Oh, I, I used to relief grant when we hit. We used to do it, uh, just, just to speed up the spin grind. So, I mean, I think if you have that option to relieve yeah. Go for it. Yeah. Because it does. I mean, it mean it cuts your time when you go to spin grind after Papyrus it’s cuts for time, way down. Yeah. True. So what I mean, I’m, I’m, I’m grinding more frequently with the Bernhardt because set up and grind time. It’s just so much quicker that there’s no, there’s really no reason for me to relieve the same time. Right? No. And I mean, I understand that thought process too. And to try to answer my next question, just like this week where we’d done a really heavy notification chime, you can press and hold the actual can. Y’all hear no. Yeah. Uh, well, no, the, I don’t know, my phone was talking to me because Kyle sent me a link. Thank you for that. Yes. I’ll send that to you. Yeah. I just, I just sent them, sent both of those to your, uh, your messages there and, uh, on that as well. Uh, yep. Yep. I’m getting the message from you now. So, uh, to try to answer my next question this week, we went out, you know, way more sand than we should, and I didn’t have to grind Evergreen’s mower. So we top dress Tuesday, Wednesday, I ground one Thursday, I ground two and we sent out five each time. So I think that speaks volumes for that really? Yeah, just, you know, that one. Because, I mean, when I saw the bucket on the Putin green, I said, I’m going to be grinding five greens mowers when they come in. Yeah, dude, you know, you don’t have to twist my arm. I’m really pro I’m a thousand percent on board. I, it’s awesome to hear that, too. That feedback on what it does when you are top dressing. Cause, uh, I would tend to agree with you. I haven’t even thought about it. Um, what that, that real blade is doing with relief or without relief when you’re your top dressing. But yeah, it’s, it’s obviously less land, uh, to be shoving a shift on the sand, through your, the top base of your night. And obviously it’s going to run a hell of a lot cooler too. So, I mean, we could all sit here and go through 10 or 15 other benefits to relieve eat during top dressing. So, uh, it’s cool that you’re getting that actual, you know, quantifiable data, um, from just top dressing with relief. Did you want it that picture? I said. No, I did. I got to go look, I totally forgot about that. And Kyle, thank you for the link, dude. I appreciate that. Yeah. And did, uh, you look at the video I told you about Mike. No, I have not. I’ve been gnarly. What? 13 hours yesterday, then all day to day working and then driving another four hours today too. So I’ve just been literally got to the hotel, walked down a salad, shoved a gallon of water and then turn on the Twitter space. Gotcha. Road, life road, warrior. Yeah, man. Uh, your name you’re just known as road dog. I’ll take it. Well, I’m uh, I got a podcast to edit and to ship, so I’m going to have to get off of here if, uh, y’all want to keep going. I can make somebody a co-host. And I’ll just let me know. I got to get some sleep. Yeah. I got to get ready to go to bed to get up so early to be there way too early to, for a us open qualifier and tomorrow. Yep. Well, good luck with that event today. Yeah. Yeah. There’s those qualifiers. They have so many people play in. They told us the same thing. They want to start two times at seven o’clock or yeah, we’re at, we got split T times on one and 10 and starting at 7:10 AM. I think we’re the same thing. Yep. And then they’re, they’re splitting it between two courses here in, uh, here in Dallas or is it Lakewood country club and then Royal Oaks, which is the home course for Scottie Scheffler. And so, and that’s like a 15 minute drive from our course. And so half of them will be at our course. And half there and then they just split blocks. They got to play 36 for the final qualifying. And I happened to look at the emails about, about the whole thing. And then, uh, seeing some of the names on there and I was shocked. I was just thinking it was just some local quality qualifier until I realized it was not. And some of the guys playing it all depended on how they did at the PGA championship. So, I mean, we’ve got their names. We’ve got, yeah, we’ve got like hunter may Han will be playing here. Uh, Matt Koocher will be playing at my course tomorrow. Yeah. So it’s kind of like, wow, I didn’t, I didn’t expect this. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Thanks everybody. Um, really enjoyed it. Yeah. This is a good one. We’ll see. Y’all later. So yeah,